tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post3670613779517402320..comments2023-10-31T08:24:26.150-07:00Comments on The Wizard of Odds: The Truth Comes Out: Clemson Ran Ray RayUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-53973016493792163022008-10-10T16:50:00.000-07:002008-10-10T16:50:00.000-07:00I dislike Bowden as much as the next person, but t...I dislike Bowden as much as the next person, but this isn't as bad as it's being made to be. He GRADUATED, and everyone has to move on some time. It's not like he was in the middle of his undergrad and it got yanked away from him, leaving him to find a way to pay. He has a Clemson degree and can continue to pursue his goals at another institution if he feels like he wants to continue. There is nothing wrong with giving the scholarships to people who are still pursuing a degree! Yes, he is an outstanding role model and an amazing person for taking responsibility the way he did, but he has an education now which is what college is about, and I'm sure will have no problem moving on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-91437163004328691212008-03-13T15:03:00.000-07:002008-03-13T15:03:00.000-07:00I think this guy's on SI.com is very similar to yo...I think this guy's on SI.com is very similar to yours in form... perhaps not enough to be "plagiarism," but worth a second look nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/phil_taylor/03/12/mcelrathbey.clemson/index.htmlemagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03220349593329689663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-67214180028741517042008-03-13T08:45:00.000-07:002008-03-13T08:45:00.000-07:00I have season tickets at Yankee stadium and I don'...I have season tickets at Yankee stadium and I don't consider myself a shareholder. I don't say that damn Hank Steinbrenner he should have done this because I have two seats all year. What I am is a fan who is exactly that. I have the right to go to the games and cheer not to pretend that I have a "vested" interest in a team and that in someway I should have a say in how it is run. People need to take a step back and look at the big picture here. If this person is donating money to the school for education purposes I'd be extremely suprised but then I could see his arguement somewhat.......but he's not a shareholder, he has no "vested" interest, etc. Be real, your a fan and that is it....nobody owes anybody anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-9878845474891058272008-03-13T07:40:00.000-07:002008-03-13T07:40:00.000-07:00he's not saying he's an actual shareholder... but ...he's not saying he's an actual shareholder... but if you give to the university, and have season tickets... you have a vested interest in the program...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-2180607866759240442008-03-12T20:07:00.000-07:002008-03-12T20:07:00.000-07:00The guy who said he is a shareholder is by far the...The guy who said he is a shareholder is by far the dumbest person I have encountered in quite some time. Clemson is a public university, which I hate to break the news to you but this means it is run by the state of SC. Please issue an apology to everyone who momentarily became less intelligent from reading your terrible post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-40767058195879490342008-03-12T11:02:00.000-07:002008-03-12T11:02:00.000-07:00POOR SPIN. shame on this blog.ray ray is looking ...POOR SPIN. shame on this blog.<BR/><BR/>ray ray is looking to become a grad assistant rather than transfer. (i will also wonder aloud, knowing that he has a 2nd sibling he's wanted to care for, if it will allow him to do that.)<BR/><BR/>i think ray ray could contribute nicely on special teams, and would be worth a scholarship. but if he's graduating and has other priorities in his life, he might choose to stay in a COMMUNITY THAT HAS REACHED OUT TO HIM BIG-TIME. this could also be an opportunity for him to learn a coaching career, if he ends up wanting to do that someday.<BR/><BR/>this blog just lost a lot of credibility by not presenting balanced info.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17209957319044162533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-79095629828428088172008-03-11T22:53:00.000-07:002008-03-11T22:53:00.000-07:00See, the problem with a lot of your comments is th...See, the problem with a lot of your comments is this--when coaches recruit kids they almost always (and I would say ALWAYS, but threw in the "almost" just in case), anyway, the tell the kid that he won't have his scholarship pulled as long as he doesn't get in trouble with the law or not pull his weight in the classroom. Now of course a coach will do everything he can to get a kid to transfer, but it is just wrong to pull a kid's scholarship when he has eligibility remaining and didn't fail out of school or get in any legal trouble.<BR/><BR/>All of you Clemson fans (to the guy who referred to himself as a shareholder, I wasn't aware that you could buy shares of Clemson stock), I hope you guys keep explaining this away as you drink your moonshine by saying that this happens all of the time, b/c the fact of the matter is that pulling a kid's scholarship really does not happen very often, even in the dog-eat-dog world of the SEC.DBDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08025454873345920817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-51532276683958714432008-03-11T19:05:00.000-07:002008-03-11T19:05:00.000-07:00Contact the President of Clemson University: James...Contact the President of Clemson University: James F. Barker, FAIA<BR/>President<BR/>Clemson University<BR/>201 Sikes Hall<BR/>Clemson, SC 29634<BR/>(864) 656-3413<BR/>jbarker@clemson.eduAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-20354239483387179092008-03-11T18:48:00.000-07:002008-03-11T18:48:00.000-07:00First of all, there is obviously more to this stor...First of all, there is obviously more to this story than what this biased article states. Clemson hasn't won an ACC championship since '91, but Clemson has kept Bowden around because he is a good man with good morals and the players love him. I highly doubt this is how it went down...<BR/><BR/>More importantly, Clemson fans have been asking "WHY" since '91. If this went down in the worst way possible (The Wizard of Odds way), my response is this: It happens in schools all over the country on a yearly basis. If you want to win championships, you're going to have to show more intensity than pitching a fit and throwing a headset when you're hanging 50 on FAU. While I don't agree with a "win at all cost" attitude, if this is what it takes to win a championship then I hope Ray Ray enjoyed his free education and immediate job...because it's a lot more than I've received from Clemson University.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-65712465039412478532008-03-11T18:22:00.000-07:002008-03-11T18:22:00.000-07:00Its my clemsons fault as much as it is bowdensIts my clemsons fault as much as it is bowdensAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-43439991707570275202008-03-11T17:35:00.000-07:002008-03-11T17:35:00.000-07:00I like Ray Ray but if this move helps TB win an AC...I like Ray Ray but if this move helps TB win an ACC championship at Clemson (FINALLY) then I say bye bye Ray Ray and good luck luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-17905599059882272412008-03-11T16:19:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:19:00.000-07:00I love a feel good story but let's look at the fac...I love a feel good story but let's look at the facts....<BR/><BR/>1) Feel good stories don't put fans in the seats but wins do. As a shareholder, I want to see wins, ACC championships, BCS births, etc. Competition breeds success.<BR/>2) I didn't have the luxury to have my undergraduate or graduate school paid for; Ray Ray will have that luxury without even starting a single position on the field.<BR/>3) He will get another $100K to support his little brother from a trust fund that Clemson lobbied to the NCAA for. Clemson will still embrace him because nothing has changed there.<BR/><BR/>There's tons of kids including myself at the time that wish they had that type of financial support. There's tons of scholarship players who lose their annual renewable scholarship, without being able to graduate, let alone go to grad school for free. Competition and the emergence of success brings out the best in a program but it also reveals the low hanging fruit. The media is all about being the first to break a "feel good story" or someone's demise. They don't have to put people in the seats, meet university presidential goals, and justify added expenses. If NCAA football was strictly about feel good stories then the stadiums would be half full on Saturdays.Tiger Alumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01693686761946957347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-4731822599405911072008-03-11T15:16:00.000-07:002008-03-11T15:16:00.000-07:00The kid just wants to play football at Clemson-tha...The kid just wants to play football at Clemson-that is the issue. Why does Bowden want him OUT if he clearly wants to stay????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-40528934082909840732008-03-11T14:26:00.000-07:002008-03-11T14:26:00.000-07:00Here's the deal. Bowden pulled his scholarship on ...Here's the deal. Bowden pulled his scholarship on Saturday! Monday when he saw the article in the Charleston Post and Courier the spin machine began to work. They then offered RAY a Grad assistant's position and offered to pay for the rest of his Education. The sad part is, Courtney Vincent has been Arrested 3 times at CU and is still on the team. Why not pull his scholarship?<BR/><BR/>Simply because Bowden needs room for a better player. <BR/><BR/>Also, Clemson people will say Ray Ray was not doing the things he needed to get better! Yet they offer him a GA's position? WTH?!<BR/>Give a man a GA position who is not doing what it takes? GA's are usually people who worked hard while on the team and will make a good impression on the current players! Spin Spin!taterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10495408750359302678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-26200793284473337062008-03-11T10:44:00.000-07:002008-03-11T10:44:00.000-07:00Nice slanted point of view.... why not write about...Nice slanted point of view.... why not write about the full story.<BR/><BR/>First Ray Ray has graduated<BR/>2nd he was going to be given a full ride for graduate school. He is a student athlete. Bowden basically stated that if you want to continue playing football you will not be seeing the field here at Clemson. WTF is so wrong with that, it happens everywhere, not just Clemson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-68369886628471314352008-03-11T06:32:00.000-07:002008-03-11T06:32:00.000-07:00Nice slanted point of view. Clemson and Bowden hav...Nice slanted point of view. Clemson and Bowden have done a lot of good for Ray Ray and his little brother. This includes paying for the bachelor's degree he's getting this August so he can enter the workforce with a level of skill with a grad assistant job if he wants it, something anyone who wants to enter the coaching ranks would kill for. <BR/><BR/>It also includes a $60k fund for the little brother's future education. <BR/><BR/>Clemson's done far, far more for Ray Ray than for hundreds of just as disadvantaged students that have attended there.<BR/><BR/>For some people, like you, nothing is ever enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-69359478657197055192008-03-10T18:31:00.000-07:002008-03-10T18:31:00.000-07:00Here's where you'd like to see Mark Richt step up ...Here's where you'd like to see Mark Richt step up and tell his son to give up his scholly for Ray Ray and go to walk on status. With the extra $800,000 we just dropped in his lap, I'm pretty sure he can afford it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-67007471562251148072008-03-10T16:34:00.000-07:002008-03-10T16:34:00.000-07:00my point mr. anonymous is that if this story was a...my point mr. anonymous is that if this story was about saban it would be presented in such a unbiased manner. there would be some hilarious (but not really) fark borrowed from the likes of losers with socks. just scroll down a post or two...you'll see what i mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-20602102480905757822008-03-10T14:56:00.000-07:002008-03-10T14:56:00.000-07:00gerry - saban does do this, all the time, it's why...gerry - saban does do this, all the time, it's why he was able to sign 30-some kids with only 19 to give. don't get your point.<BR/><BR/>j - it's called class, and realizing maybe one schooly isn't that much of a sacrifice for a guy who's got a lot on the line, a guy who didn't cause problems for four years...not to mention the PR side of things...it's dumb on a lot of different levels...besides that, closing for the red sox would kind of suck, you wouldn't get very many innings (T12 despite winning the WS)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-47416566280223154522008-03-10T14:12:00.000-07:002008-03-10T14:12:00.000-07:00Uh... Ray Ray graduated, has not contributed on th...Uh... Ray Ray graduated, has not contributed on the field, and was offered a job. Sure, Ray Ray wants to play in the NFL, and I'd like to close for the Red Sox. It sure seems to me that Clemson kept its end of the bargain by allowing Ray Ray to get a college education, and went one better than that by offering him a grad assistantship. It would be nice if the story had worked out differently, and he was on the Heisman shortlist, but it didn't. He has a BA, a good job offer, not to mention 100k in trust for his little brother. Tell me again how he got screwed? I am not a Bowden fan, but throwing him under the bus for this is just retarded.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05068082545411217816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-45560445835912443532008-03-10T13:35:00.000-07:002008-03-10T13:35:00.000-07:00May Clemson suffer 10,000 Citrus Bowl losses for t...May Clemson suffer 10,000 Citrus Bowl losses for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-70109076335877920762008-03-10T12:14:00.000-07:002008-03-10T12:14:00.000-07:00I remember watching Ray Ray on ESPN thinking these...I remember watching Ray Ray on ESPN thinking these are the people who deserve to represent universities each Saturday. What Bowden did is disgusting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-12232732153575129792008-03-10T10:31:00.000-07:002008-03-10T10:31:00.000-07:00this very blog (and about 1000 others) would f'ing...this very blog (and about 1000 others) would f'ing crucify nick saban if he did this. i'm sure the outrage is coming in tomorrow's edition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-85450792282275386682008-03-10T07:43:00.000-07:002008-03-10T07:43:00.000-07:00Pitiful! How Tommy Bowden got the Clemson job any...Pitiful! How Tommy Bowden got the Clemson job anyway is beyond me. He's not much of a head coach but he does have some assistants that recruit well. Things like this seem to be the way of the world these days; I guess Tommy is keeping up with the Jones? Clemson is rabid about their football, despite their head coach's abilities. They should have dumped him during the crier presser, then he would not have to dump players that give their all. Ray Ray deserves respect for what he's put in. If the recruiters aren't all it takes to take Clemson to the top; Baby Bowden (I know he's not the youngest) will get his just reward. Tommy can't touch Pop with class for others. Pop gives the best handshake I've seen when he's on the losing end of a game. Tommy is a real piece of work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15857498.post-14842130067155150382008-03-10T07:14:00.000-07:002008-03-10T07:14:00.000-07:00Thanks for posting this and calling Bowden for wha...Thanks for posting this and calling Bowden for what he is: an amoral career opportunist who leverages his public religiosity when it suits him and privately savages those who support him. Too bad many of the mainstream media in SC and elsewhere won't pick up on this story, as it highlights a lot of what is wrong with major CFB and how athletes are simply chattel used for revenue and then discarded by some schools. Clemson recruits, take note. The "commitment" is only one-way.lawdog185https://www.blogger.com/profile/06751003210381270732noreply@blogger.com